Comments on: Obama’s Pragmatic Solutions - Fatherhood http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/ Because the world needed one more Sat, 19 May 2012 05:53:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Greg Silveira http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-172 Greg Silveira Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:11:59 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-172 I viewed Obamas speech, finally. I agree with much of what he said, but I think he places to much responsibility on the government. Mankind has existed for a very long time without governments to teach us to be good parents or to create a good homelife for our children. This is not the role of government. In fact the government already has to much input into our personal lives. A weak people always look to their government for solutions to personal problems. When the government steps in to help, this just weakens the people more. People need to find their own solutions, thus making themselves stronger. I viewed Obamas speech, finally. I agree with much of what he said, but I think he places to much responsibility on the government. Mankind has existed for a very long time without governments to teach us to be good parents or to create a good homelife for our children. This is not the role of government. In fact the government already has to much input into our personal lives. A weak people always look to their government for solutions to personal problems. When the government steps in to help, this just weakens the people more. People need to find their own solutions, thus making themselves stronger.

]]> By: admin http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-112 admin Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:49:58 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-112 Greg- I encourage you to watch Obama's speech on Father's Day earlier this year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1hCDjwG6M). This was the speech that got Jessie Jackson upset because he thought Obama was putting too much of the responsibility on the individual. Let me know what you think of the speech. -ep Greg-

I encourage you to watch Obama’s speech on Father’s Day earlier this year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1hCDjwG6M). This was the speech that got Jessie Jackson upset because he thought Obama was putting too much of the responsibility on the individual.

Let me know what you think of the speech.

-ep

]]> By: ep http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-108 ep Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:54:17 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-108 I don't think there is anything wrong with your comment not having sources or statistics. You were not leveling attacks or trying to present conjecture as fact, you were sharing your opinion and posing questions. Generally I think that the individuals we think of as great statesman are simply politicians presented with extraordinary circumstances that they rally us all to overcome. Clearly I don’t have a problem with the “Present” votes personally and even if I did I would find it to be a minor issue in the grand scheme of this election. Regarding what it takes to make a good father, I couldn’t agree more. Government can’t make somebody be a good father but they can remove obstacles and incentives that make it harder. I think the legislation that Obama was working on does that, let me know if you disagree after reviewing the details. I don’t think there is anything wrong with your comment not having sources or statistics. You were not leveling attacks or trying to present conjecture as fact, you were sharing your opinion and posing questions.

Generally I think that the individuals we think of as great statesman are simply politicians presented with extraordinary circumstances that they rally us all to overcome. Clearly I don’t have a problem with the “Present” votes personally and even if I did I would find it to be a minor issue in the grand scheme of this election.

Regarding what it takes to make a good father, I couldn’t agree more. Government can’t make somebody be a good father but they can remove obstacles and incentives that make it harder. I think the legislation that Obama was working on does that, let me know if you disagree after reviewing the details.

]]> By: Greg Silveira http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-100 Greg Silveira Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:30:57 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-100 If a person disapproves of a measure why not have the courage of his convictions and vote No? A statesman would vote No, a politician would vote Present. As far as fatherhood is concerned, it is an issue of acceptance of personal responsibility. This cannot be legislated, it must be taught from childhood, by parent(s), teachers, community leaders, and our countries leaders. No amount of government funded programs or legislation is going to accomplish this. I know that you want information sources and stats. I can't give them to you. I speak from experience. As a former drug and alcohol abuser, a high school dropout, a divorced parent, a child of divorced parents, and a father of five children, I have gained some knowledge from my mistakes. If a person disapproves of a measure why not have the courage of his convictions and vote No? A statesman would vote No, a politician would vote Present. As far as fatherhood is concerned, it is an issue of acceptance of personal responsibility. This cannot be legislated, it must be taught from childhood, by parent(s), teachers, community leaders, and our countries leaders. No amount of government funded programs or legislation is going to accomplish this. I know that you want information sources and stats. I can’t give them to you. I speak from experience. As a former drug and alcohol abuser, a high school dropout, a divorced parent, a child of divorced parents, and a father of five children, I have gained some knowledge from my mistakes.

]]> By: ep http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-94 ep Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:16:19 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-94 I encourage and enjoy comments on my site. However I prefer if the comments are more than sweeping conjecture and opinion that leads to discussion degrading into flame wars. I believe sources and specific example always make for a stronger argument than inflammatory accusations. Regarding your post: Obama has voted present in the Illinois legislature, which is a common practice. The below is from a good <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1222229516-DIMpL8Yb4dbjc9OTqB/fyg" rel="nofollow">New York Times article </a>on Obama's use of present votes: <blockquote>In Illinois, political experts say voting present is a relatively common way for lawmakers to express disapproval of a measure. It can at times help avoid running the risks of voting no, they add.</blockquote> Obama did come out in opposition of the Iraq War at a time that it was very unpopular to do so. That isn't to say that his position hasn't 'evolved' on some issues, all politicians do. Including John McCain's position on tax cuts while we are at war, <a href="http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/flip-flop-mccain-style/" rel="nofollow">Click for an example of evolving positions</a>. That said I do recognize McCain's commitment to stand by the surge while it was politically unpopular. I look forward to your reply with included sources and specific examples. Thank you. I encourage and enjoy comments on my site. However I prefer if the comments are more than sweeping conjecture and opinion that leads to discussion degrading into flame wars. I believe sources and specific example always make for a stronger argument than inflammatory accusations. Regarding your post:

Obama has voted present in the Illinois legislature, which is a common practice. The below is from a good New York Times article on Obama’s use of present votes:

In Illinois, political experts say voting present is a relatively common way for lawmakers to express disapproval of a measure. It can at times help avoid running the risks of voting no, they add.

Obama did come out in opposition of the Iraq War at a time that it was very unpopular to do so. That isn’t to say that his position hasn’t ‘evolved’ on some issues, all politicians do. Including John McCain’s position on tax cuts while we are at war, Click for an example of evolving positions. That said I do recognize McCain’s commitment to stand by the surge while it was politically unpopular.

I look forward to your reply with included sources and specific examples.
Thank you.

]]> By: Francis W. Porretto http://anotherdamnblog.com/index.php/obamas-pragmatic-solutions-fatherhood/#comment-92 Francis W. Porretto Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:10:22 +0000 http://anotherdamnblog.com/?p=186#comment-92 What substance? The man's favorite vote is "Present." Barack Obama is nothing but an empty suit who rose to his present altitude by thuggish Chicago politics. The positions he espouses are all hard-left-liberal and thoroughly disproved by experience, and he's not even firm on those when he thinks that taking a public stand on them might cost him some votes! What substance? The man’s favorite vote is “Present.”

Barack Obama is nothing but an empty suit who rose to his present altitude by thuggish Chicago politics. The positions he espouses are all hard-left-liberal and thoroughly disproved by experience, and he’s not even firm on those when he thinks that taking a public stand on them might cost him some votes!

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